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Two tables in the Skaneateles Community dining room
A woman’s published recollection of a brief stay and another visitor’s meal complicate the picture of a community eating together.
Mrs. S. Vanvelzer remembered two tables in the Skaneateles Community’s dining room. One, she said, had ordinary food; the other had boiled wheat, rice and Graham mush without seasoning. The account appears in John Humphrey Noyes’s History of American Socialisms, rather than in an inspected dining record from the community. History of American Socialisms, chapter XV: The Skaneateles Community.
Her recollection places the invitation in Baldwinsville, after lectures during winter 1845. She said she went, was disappointed and stayed three weeks. That short stay gives us one person’s experience, not a verdict from everyone who lived there. History of American Socialisms, chapter XV: The Skaneateles Community.
Another visitor in the same chapter, E. L. Hatch, recalled tea, bread and butter. He reported an explanation: guests were offered the food they were accustomed to. His meal cannot be treated as the community’s universal diet, any more than Vanvelzer’s table could tell us what every member ate. History of American Socialisms, chapter XV: The Skaneateles Community.
The voices reach us through Noyes, who explained that he reconstructed and condensed some of Macdonald’s collected material. Keeping the speakers distinct matters. A brief recollection can preserve the arrangement of a room and the terms of a meal without explaining every household, disagreement or belief in the experiment. History of American Socialisms, chapter XV: The Skaneateles Community.
Sources & research notes
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- What the records establish
- The inspected transcription preserves separate recollections attributed to Mrs. S. Vanvelzer and E. L. Hatch, together with Noyes’s stated editorial method.
- What remains uncertain
- The original manuscript recollections and newspaper issues were not inspected. Initials are not expanded, recollected dialogue is not newly authenticated, and no inference is made about all members, intimate relationships or the cause of dissolution.
- What we are researching next
- Compare the printed chapter with Macdonald’s Skaneateles file (GEN MSS 1394, box 1, folder 9, leaves 99–113) and surviving Communitist issues; verify each original voice and editorial change before extending the account.
Sources
- History of American Socialisms, chapter XV: The Skaneateles Community — John Humphrey Noyes; 1870 work; transcription released 2011-03-26. Locator: Chapter I, printed markers 2–9; Chapter XV, printed markers 163–168; Chapter XV, printed marker 177; Chapter XV, printed markers 178–179. Exact sub-passages registered separately; titles/columns/units checked against the retained source. Accessed October 22, 2026.